Serach Engines and Database-driven stores

[gallery]

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated on-the-fly for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje

[Norman]

How it will be affected will depend on the search engine. On some his
rankings will go down. I have copied this below from google recommendations to
website owners.

1. Reasons your site may not be included.

Your pages are dynamically generated. We are able to index dynamically
generated pages. However, because our web crawler can easily overwhelm and
crash sites serving dynamic content, we limit the amount of dynamic pages we
index.

We used to use software that dynamically generated web pages. One of the main
reasons we moved to ShopSite is that it has real web pages. As an additional
note , dynamically generated web sites put more work on the server. During
busy times for the store, the store has a much higher probability of slowing
down or even crashing. This would only occur during extremely busy times
and/or if there were a large number of dynamically generated stores on the
server.

Norman
1 Ocean Boulevard
http://www.web8.com/ocean



gallery wrote:

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated on-the-fly for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje

[gallery]

Thanks Norman:

That is a huge help. I'm going to stick with
the Stop Site "real web pages"

Marje



"Norman" <shop1ob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3E67BD4E.F946689C@aol.com...

How it will be affected will depend on the search engine. On some his
rankings will go down. I have copied this below from google
recommendations to
website owners.

1. Reasons your site may not be included.

Your pages are dynamically generated. We are able to index dynamically
generated pages. However, because our web crawler can easily overwhelm and
crash sites serving dynamic content, we limit the amount of dynamic pages
we
index.

We used to use software that dynamically generated web pages. One of the
main
reasons we moved to ShopSite is that it has real web pages. As an
additional
note , dynamically generated web sites put more work on the server.
During
busy times for the store, the store has a much higher probability of
slowing
down or even crashing. This would only occur during extremely busy times
and/or if there were a large number of dynamically generated stores on the
server.

Norman
1 Ocean Boulevard
http://www.web8.com/ocean



gallery wrote:

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated on-the-fly
for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje

[Norman]

I also want to mention that while not a dynamic database-driven store,
ShopSite is a database-driven store. Both types are created from databases.
The difference is when the page is created. ShopSite creates the page at the
time that you publish the page. When a customer requests a page, the page is
on the server to display to the customer. Essentially the page is only created
once but displayed on request. Dynamic software creates the page whenever the
customer requests a page. If 1000 customers request a page, the page is
created 1000 times.
If you are using a higher version of ShopSite and if your client has a lot
of products, you are missing out on features that we have found to be
extremely valuable such as Power Editing by forming pages outside of the
software with OrderAnywhere links. We like to form a database of our products
using standard database software offline and import it into ShopSite. Once
imported into the ShopSite database, products can be easily manipulated for
sales price changes, out-of-stocks, etc.

Norman
1 Ocean Boulevard
http://www.web8.com/ocean

gallery wrote:

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated on-the-fly for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje

[gallery]

Norman:

We are using ShopSite 4.1 and the OrderAnywhere functionality on
website pages we create ourselves.

Are you suggesting that we NOT use the higher version of ShopSite?

Marje



"Norman" <shop1ob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3E67E2FF.3EB6420E@aol.com...

I also want to mention that while not a dynamic database-driven store,
ShopSite is a database-driven store. Both types are created from
databases.
The difference is when the page is created. ShopSite creates the page at
the
time that you publish the page. When a customer requests a page, the page
is
on the server to display to the customer. Essentially the page is only
created
once but displayed on request. Dynamic software creates the page whenever
the
customer requests a page. If 1000 customers request a page, the page is
created 1000 times.
If you are using a higher version of ShopSite and if your client has a
lot
of products, you are missing out on features that we have found to be
extremely valuable such as Power Editing by forming pages outside of the
software with OrderAnywhere links. We like to form a database of our
products
using standard database software offline and import it into ShopSite. Once
imported into the ShopSite database, products can be easily manipulated
for
sales price changes, out-of-stocks, etc.

Norman
1 Ocean Boulevard
http://www.web8.com/ocean

gallery wrote:

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated on-the-fly
for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje

[Norman]

What I meant to say, perhaps poorly, is my opinion that once you reach a lot of
products that I feel the OrderAnywhere function is a somewhat time consuming
method of running a store. We have hundreds of products and use ShopSite Pro.
As an example if I want to have a sale, I just pick the products for the sale,
do a group power edit to say 20% off, and the software puts the sale price and
"on sale" beside of each item. If I want to add 20 products to a page, I can
pull them up, assign them to a page, and bingo ShopSite does all of the work.
There is nothing wrong with OrderAnywhere. I was just pointing out
something to consider in the future. Others opinions may differ. I guess my
final point would be that in the higher version you are paying for a lot of
automation power in my opinion and I don't believe that using the OrderAnywhere
function with pages generated outside the program will best help you achieve
it. However, others may feel differently.

Norman


gallery wrote:

Norman:

We are using ShopSite 4.1 and the OrderAnywhere functionality on
website pages we create ourselves.

Are you suggesting that we NOT use the higher version of ShopSite?

Marje

"Norman" <shop1ob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3E67E2FF.3EB6420E@aol.com...
I also want to mention that while not a dynamic database-driven store,
ShopSite is a database-driven store. Both types are created from
databases.
The difference is when the page is created. ShopSite creates the page at
the
time that you publish the page. When a customer requests a page, the page
is
on the server to display to the customer. Essentially the page is only
created
once but displayed on request. Dynamic software creates the page whenever
the
customer requests a page. If 1000 customers request a page, the page is
created 1000 times.
If you are using a higher version of ShopSite and if your client has a
lot
of products, you are missing out on features that we have found to be
extremely valuable such as Power Editing by forming pages outside of the
software with OrderAnywhere links. We like to form a database of our
products
using standard database software offline and import it into ShopSite. Once
imported into the ShopSite database, products can be easily manipulated
for
sales price changes, out-of-stocks, etc.

Norman
1 Ocean Boulevard
http://www.web8.com/ocean

gallery wrote:

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated on-the-fly
for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje

[gallery]

Hi Norman:

You are addressing our main problem. We have been using OrderAnywhere
and, yes, it is time-consuming. We now have so many products that I cannot
keep up with them all.

I want to pick a ShopSite functionality that will also allow the owner of
the shop
to update the site (add products - text & images) when he has the time.

I have created two templates that I would like to use. Any constructive
feedback would be very much appreciated.

http://www.bluequillangler.com/store/new/store.html
http://www.bluequillangler.com/store/ne ... -wide.html

Another question - how many custom templates can you create?
I may need to create more than two.

Marje



"Norman" <shop1ob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3E682D6C.328CAFA6@aol.com...

What I meant to say, perhaps poorly, is my opinion that once you reach a
lot of
products that I feel the OrderAnywhere function is a somewhat time
consuming
method of running a store. We have hundreds of products and use ShopSite
Pro.
As an example if I want to have a sale, I just pick the products for the
sale,
do a group power edit to say 20% off, and the software puts the sale price
and
"on sale" beside of each item. If I want to add 20 products to a page, I
can
pull them up, assign them to a page, and bingo ShopSite does all of the
work.
There is nothing wrong with OrderAnywhere. I was just pointing out
something to consider in the future. Others opinions may differ. I guess
my
final point would be that in the higher version you are paying for a lot
of
automation power in my opinion and I don't believe that using the
OrderAnywhere
function with pages generated outside the program will best help you
achieve
it. However, others may feel differently.

Norman


gallery wrote:

Norman:

We are using ShopSite 4.1 and the OrderAnywhere functionality on
website pages we create ourselves.

Are you suggesting that we NOT use the higher version of ShopSite?

Marje

"Norman" <shop1ob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3E67E2FF.3EB6420E@aol.com...
I also want to mention that while not a dynamic database-driven
store,
ShopSite is a database-driven store. Both types are created from
databases.
The difference is when the page is created. ShopSite creates the
page at
the
time that you publish the page. When a customer requests a page, the
page
is
on the server to display to the customer. Essentially the page is only
created
once but displayed on request. Dynamic software creates the page
whenever
the
customer requests a page. If 1000 customers request a page, the page
is
created 1000 times.
If you are using a higher version of ShopSite and if your client
has a
lot
of products, you are missing out on features that we have found to be
extremely valuable such as Power Editing by forming pages outside of
the
software with OrderAnywhere links. We like to form a database of our
products
using standard database software offline and import it into ShopSite.
Once
imported into the ShopSite database, products can be easily
manipulated
for
sales price changes, out-of-stocks, etc.

Norman
1 Ocean Boulevard
http://www.web8.com/ocean

gallery wrote:

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated
on-the-fly
for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje

[loren_d_c]

You can create as many custom templates as your want.

-Loren


gallery wrote:

Hi Norman:

You are addressing our main problem. We have been using OrderAnywhere
and, yes, it is time-consuming. We now have so many products that I cannot
keep up with them all.

I want to pick a ShopSite functionality that will also allow the owner of
the shop
to update the site (add products - text & images) when he has the time.

I have created two templates that I would like to use. Any constructive
feedback would be very much appreciated.

http://www.bluequillangler.com/store/new/store.html
http://www.bluequillangler.com/store/ne ... -wide.html

Another question - how many custom templates can you create?
I may need to create more than two.

Marje

"Norman" <shop1ob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3E682D6C.328CAFA6@aol.com...
What I meant to say, perhaps poorly, is my opinion that once you reach a
lot of
products that I feel the OrderAnywhere function is a somewhat time
consuming
method of running a store. We have hundreds of products and use ShopSite
Pro.
As an example if I want to have a sale, I just pick the products for the
sale,
do a group power edit to say 20% off, and the software puts the sale price
and
"on sale" beside of each item. If I want to add 20 products to a page, I
can
pull them up, assign them to a page, and bingo ShopSite does all of the
work.
There is nothing wrong with OrderAnywhere. I was just pointing out
something to consider in the future. Others opinions may differ. I guess
my
final point would be that in the higher version you are paying for a lot
of
automation power in my opinion and I don't believe that using the
OrderAnywhere
function with pages generated outside the program will best help you
achieve
it. However, others may feel differently.

Norman


gallery wrote:

Norman:

We are using ShopSite 4.1 and the OrderAnywhere functionality on
website pages we create ourselves.

Are you suggesting that we NOT use the higher version of ShopSite?

Marje

"Norman" <shop1ob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3E67E2FF.3EB6420E@aol.com...
I also want to mention that while not a dynamic database-driven
store,
ShopSite is a database-driven store. Both types are created from
databases.
The difference is when the page is created. ShopSite creates the
page at
the
time that you publish the page. When a customer requests a page, the
page
is
on the server to display to the customer. Essentially the page is only
created
once but displayed on request. Dynamic software creates the page
whenever
the
customer requests a page. If 1000 customers request a page, the page
is
created 1000 times.
If you are using a higher version of ShopSite and if your client
has a
lot
of products, you are missing out on features that we have found to be
extremely valuable such as Power Editing by forming pages outside of
the
software with OrderAnywhere links. We like to form a database of our
products
using standard database software offline and import it into ShopSite.
Once
imported into the ShopSite database, products can be easily
manipulated
for
sales price changes, out-of-stocks, etc.

Norman
1 Ocean Boulevard
http://www.web8.com/ocean

gallery wrote:

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated
on-the-fly
for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje

[Keith]

Hi Marje,

To answer your question about ShopSite and search engines.
I use the standard ShopSite templets ( Pro 4.3 version - haven't bothered to
upgrade yet ) for all pages and products.

One month ago I completely changed my product line from stupid bird houses and
novelties to top quality jewelry.

As an example, I now carry a selection of gold trimmed and lacquered roses.
If you use "IE" just type ( lacquer rose ) directly into the address bar of
the browser.
Yes I did say address bar.
Here is the URL it generates.
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?srch ... cquer+rose

Look for specialmart.com to see the position(s) I have.

Now try the same thing in "Netscape" ( if you do not have netscape try Google
that's what the Netscape, AOL and Yahoo! systems use).
http://search.netscape.com/nscp_results ... CPRedirect

As you can see... there is nothing bad about the way ShopSite generates pages.

They can be easily searched by the search engines.

The real key is to know what you are doing when submitting your pages to the
search engines.

Keith
www.specialmart.com
ShopSite >= The Force
Trust the Force Luke!

gallery wrote:

My client is currently using ShopSite - We use the OrderAnywhere
links on the back of buttons in our own design.

My client gets a lot of traffic from people typing in the names of
his products into search engines and arriving at his site. So, I
don't want to jeopardize his product pages' ranking in the search
engines.

At the ShopSite website, I read this sentence:

"Store pages with OrderAnywhere links can even be generated on-the-fly for
database-driven dynamic stores."

If we decide to create a database-driven store, how will this affect
his ranking in the search engines?

Thanks,

Marje